Banned from the TOM WISHON Forum!
I tried to login yesterday on the TOM WISHON forum and this message welcomed me
That was a unpleasant surprise! However it seems that I stepped on to many toes when replying to some of the nonsense that was posted there. The reason TOM give me was another one, I'm not respectful enough in my postings. So in short you can say anything you like, be wrong or just straight-out lie as long as you do it respectfully. This is what TOM WISHON wrote when asked why he banned me.
Well, what can I say other then that I don't agree. This is what I wrote back:
He never replied nor did he placed a posting on his forum to explain that I was banned. I do understand however, his main interest is running his business and the forum is a place where clubfitting and clubmaking is promoted. A good forum will increase revenue and if people start complaining and even telling TOM that they are not longer visiting his forum it might cause a possible decrease in revenue.
The ban came shortly after I pointed out that Roy Nix (owner of the AGCP) posted some nonsense about the "club release". (http://wishongolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13214) Roy was not really happy and I'm sure he contacted TOM. As TOM and Roy are promoting each others business on their respective websites I think TOM made the decision to ban me to keep Roy happy.
Added 15-12-2015 : Seems that TW removed my remarks from that thread!
That was a unpleasant surprise! However it seems that I stepped on to many toes when replying to some of the nonsense that was posted there. The reason TOM give me was another one, I'm not respectful enough in my postings. So in short you can say anything you like, be wrong or just straight-out lie as long as you do it respectfully. This is what TOM WISHON wrote when asked why he banned me.
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Datum: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 21:35:56 +0000 Van: Tom Wishon Aan: Clubfitter73 Frans There was a time before in which I had removed your Forum access because your manner of disagreeing with other opinions was beyond what I felt was a respectful tone. But you said back then you would post in a more respectful manner so I let you back on the Forum. Since that time and somewhat more recently I have seen and I have heard from several other clubmakers on the forum that you were continuing to adopt a disrespectful tone in some of your posts. I checked this out and I just feel that your manner of disagreeing with others is just beyond the level of being respectful. It is fine to have discussions on Forums in which people with different opinions debate their beliefs. It is OK to disagree but it is not OK to disagree in a disagreeable manner, which is what you continue to do. When several other clubmakers email or even call us to say they no longer are going to visit our Forum because of you specifically, I am sorry but there comes a time when the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I am sorry but your disrespectful manner just got to be too much for us to accept. TOM WISHON
Well, what can I say other then that I don't agree. This is what I wrote back:
Email
Datum: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 23:36:36 +0100 Van: clubfitter73 Aan: Tom Wishon TOM, I respectfully disagree. English is not my native language and as such the consequence is that there is a lack of large enough vocabulary. Having less words at your disposal means that tone in which things are being written is perceived differently then when those exact same things would have been said person to person. So I'm not aware of any disrespectful postings except there is a strong aversion against some of the complete BS that some "clubmakers" are posting and they are definitely not doing the clubfitting industry any good! My goals is to improve the overall knowledge and stop misinformation, I'm very passionate about that and that is what you find back in my writings. Review my posts : There is no-name calling, no personal attacks, only confronting when errors or misconceptions are posted. All I write can be backed by scientific studies and literature! Please read my TOMI research postings, does providing a diy high speed high precision putter swing monitor sounds like the actions of a person that doesn't care about this industry? If you do not change your mind then please post your email on the forum to explain that I was banned. I will do the same on the clubfitter.eu website (if you permit me publishing your email) It's your forum and you can do what you want. Please remember that removing those with a different opinion silences the debate and stops progress. Frans
He never replied nor did he placed a posting on his forum to explain that I was banned. I do understand however, his main interest is running his business and the forum is a place where clubfitting and clubmaking is promoted. A good forum will increase revenue and if people start complaining and even telling TOM that they are not longer visiting his forum it might cause a possible decrease in revenue.
The ban came shortly after I pointed out that Roy Nix (owner of the AGCP) posted some nonsense about the "club release". (http://wishongolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13214) Roy was not really happy and I'm sure he contacted TOM. As TOM and Roy are promoting each others business on their respective websites I think TOM made the decision to ban me to keep Roy happy.
Added 15-12-2015 : Seems that TW removed my remarks from that thread!